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I remember that Rob mentioned in his analysis of Alien that he had never really understood what the derelict spaceship in the beginning of the film was supposed to look like. Everything else in the film seemed to fit with it's sexual undertones.

[Image: Derelict%20Giger.jpg]

However it says on H. R. Giger's wikipedia page that he "designed, among other things, the Alien itself, "The Derelict" and the "Space Jockey"
And I read a Cracked.com article recently where they point out that there are several similarities between Alien and two B-movies called; It! The Terror from Beyond Space (1958) and especially Planet of the Vampires (1965).





In Planet of the Vampires they come across a derelict spaceship which looks almost identical to the one in Alien. Even the landscape that it's in is very similar.
[Image: Derelict%20comparison.jpg]
[Image: Derelict%20vampire%202.jpg]

So it seems that H. R. Giger might have just borrowed the design of the derelict from Planet of the Vampires for the derelict in Alien.
(06-07-2012 01:20 AM)ZkinandBonez Wrote: [ -> ]I remember that Rob mentioned in his analysis of Alien that he had never really understood what the derelict spaceship in the beginning of the film was supposed to look like. Everything else in the film seemed to fit with it's sexual undertones.

[Image: Derelict%20Giger.jpg]

However it says on H. R. Giger's wikipedia page that he "designed, among other things, the Alien itself, "The Derelict" and the "Space Jockey"
And I read a Cracked.com article recently where they point out that there are several similarities between Alien and two B-movies called; It! The Terror from Beyond Space (1958) and especially Planet of the Vampires (1965).





In Planet of the Vampires they come across a derelict spaceship which looks almost identical to the one in Alien. Even the landscape that it's in is very similar.
[Image: Derelict%20comparison.jpg]
[Image: Derelict%20vampire%202.jpg]

So it seems that H. R. Giger might have just borrowed the design of the derelict from Planet of the Vampires for the derelict in Alien.

It's similar in a way, but I wouldn't say it's "identical", nor do I believe it has any relation to this B-Movie.
(06-07-2012 11:23 AM)KHolland Wrote: [ -> ]It's similar in a way, but I wouldn't say it's "identical", nor do I believe it has any relation to this B-Movie.

Well I could be wrong, but quite frankly I can't see how this is a coincidence:
[Image: Derelict%20comparison.jpg]

Also the screenwriter of Alien, Dan O'Bannon, once said about writing the film; "I didn't steal Alien from anybody. I stole it from everybody!". On Wikipedia they even mention Planet of the Vampires, as well as The Thing from Another World and Forbidden Planet as influences on Alien.

The space jockey could also have been partially borrowed from Planet of the Vampires;
[Image: space%20jockey%20comparison.jpg]
(06-07-2012 11:55 AM)ZkinandBonez Wrote: [ -> ]The space jockey could also have been partially borrowed from Planet of the Vampires;
[Image: space%20jockey%20comparison.jpg]


I thought the same thing.

Of course the plot was so played out it had been done a million times like O'bannon said when he "stole it from everybody".

ALIEN just did it better than the others. (By my irrefutable standards)

I really want to start another thread about Prometheus and talk about the subliminals but nobody really commented on the last one I posted.
I just wanted to post this image from Planet of the Vampires, which looks a LOT like the 'donut' ship in Alien:

[Image: donut.jpg]

Hope I've posted the right image code for it. Here the ship is set down on the planet's surface and the astronauts are walking under it looking up, and though they don't seem to be shown in the same shot for a scale comparison, (yet anyway - it's my first time watching the film and I stopped it here and captured this image - haven't seen the rest of it yet) the ship judging from the interior scenes is gigantic.

I'd say this is extremely strong evidence - almost proof - that the space jockey ship indeed was based off of this model. Awfully suspicious otherwise that the angle of the shot is even nearly identical. Looks like Geiger just added some fins to the ends of the tubes and bent them a bit farther into a semicircle (which is almost how they appear in this shot anyway).
I have a theory that in Prometheus the derelict is used as symbolism for the oroboros.
Vickers being crushed was the end of her blood line but Shaw living was because she didnt abort her squid monster Jesus bay.

After seeing Prometheus ten times I can say with confidence it's got a ton of things going on and the reason it fumbles with the main narrative is because of all the hidden stuff.

Also this episode of DR WHO has a character named Shaw and a flute playing ancient monster that created humanity and wants to destroy it.





I'd to add the oroboros thing is my original idea but the rest are things I read elsewhere.

I dont want to give anyone the false impression I have any idea what I'm talking about.
(06-07-2012 01:20 AM)ZkinandBonez Wrote: [ -> ]I remember that Rob mentioned in his analysis of Alien that he had never really understood what the derelict spaceship in the beginning of the film was supposed to look like. Everything else in the film seemed to fit with it's sexual undertones.

[Image: Derelict%20Giger.jpg]

However it says on H. R. Giger's wikipedia page that he "designed, among other things, the Alien itself, "The Derelict" and the "Space Jockey"
And I read a Cracked.com article recently where they point out that there are several similarities between Alien and two B-movies called; It! The Terror from Beyond Space (1958) and especially Planet of the Vampires (1965).





In Planet of the Vampires they come across a derelict spaceship which looks almost identical to the one in Alien. Even the landscape that it's in is very similar.
[Image: Derelict%20comparison.jpg]
[Image: Derelict%20vampire%202.jpg]

So it seems that H. R. Giger might have just borrowed the design of the derelict from Planet of the Vampires for the derelict in Alien.
Interesting but I don't think scot copied but he probably had seen the movie.
Well, all great science fiction is an improvement of B-Movies; after all, that's all science fiction used to be until Kubrick came around and put out 2001: A Space Odyssey, for my money's worth, the greatest science fiction film ever made. The Thing From Another World might be decent, but it doesn't really compare to Carpenter's The Thing in my opinion. The same goes for The Fly; except, with The Fly, Cronenberg took an incredibly cheesy B-Movie and turned it into a masterpiece.

Personally, I think that the derelict alien ship in Alien is much more realistic, whilst still being very creative as well.
There were examples of DECENT Sci-fi, just no examples of great Sci-fi. Great sci-fi has been from 1968 to the present day, with the first example being 2001, and the most recent example being Primer. Primer is a masterpiece of Sci-fi, and the impressive part? It only cost 7,000 dollars to make!
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