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Full Metal Jacket Analysis
11-14-2012, 02:10 AM
Post: #21
RE: Full Metal Jacket Analysis
(11-13-2012 12:55 PM)Scatterbrain114 Wrote:  
(11-13-2012 04:41 AM)blueshift4 Wrote:  Okay. Nice work Bassbait. You made some nice commentary.I might add a few things here.

To begin with, the scene "choke yourself" has another angle to it. Drill instructors were forbidden to touch soldiers so the military simply walked around the rules by making subordinates "volunteer" to their becoming beaten and the methods used in basic training didn't always go that exact way. The soldier was often grabbed by his shirt, so he wasn't touched legally - his shirt was. Soldiers were often told to sit in chairs while other "volunteers" would tie them in the chair and throw the seated victim down a flight of steps. In other words, rules do not exist - only a means to expedite the removal of perceived threats to the anti-social existence of the military mindset exists.

Secondly, "the shadow". I really liked yours and Rob's views of that. I have Rob's videos. Another way of looking at it is that our anger is always directed at a mirror. That is why when we point out fingers in accusation that one finger is pointing away while three in the same hand are pointing right back. What we hate in others is a part of ourselves. Former NFL interior lineman Carl Eller put it the best: "Make a list of all your enemies and pick out the one you hate the most. That is the one that is just like you."

Third, to extend upon the term "left" and "right". The historical origin of those terms has pretty much died with today's generation and Kubrick has merely pointed in a subtle way toward its origin. The Paris Parliament was built along the banks of the Seine River. The aristocrats entered the building from the location of their neighborhood (the right bank) while the peasants entered from their location - the left bank.

The duality of Hartman and Joker does take a few other twists. The film's main theme presents the training as producing killers but a killer is also someone who disregards what others think. So, in a sense, Joker is already a killer and does not really need to act it because he disregards his training and can stand up to his training and the entire military establishment. A rebel learns to "never take crap" and once that rebel has authority that mindset still exists. Only now with authority tucked under his belt his refusal to take crap is no longer the crap from authority - it is the crap from subordinates. The oppressed is now the oppressor.

And Hartman does reward him for standing up to him about his atheism even after his beating. He gets promoted to squad leader while Snowball is fired. There were many soldiers I knew who only objected to being threatened and yelled at by the drill sergeants. Often I would hear someone say,"Just show me how to fire the weapon and I'll go out and kill anyone trying to kill me. Isn't that the way the VC do it? They have children and women who will pick up weapons and shoot. That is why children get recruited by many military groups. They are the most ruthless."

In the pull up scene you might have wanted to mention that Pyle was the furthest left of all the soldiers doing pull ups.

And the "everybody hates me Joker" part? Compare the eye contact of each character as they speak. Pyle has his eyes riveted right on Joker while Joker says without eye contact that everyone doesn't hate him and that he is just making mistakes. Joker is clearly failing to make eye contact out of denial in one sense. He is lying to Pyle but he knows exactly what is going to happen next. Joker has failed to avoid the blanket party. He has failed with his patient teachings of Pyle who is not screwing up because of brutal inputs because even passive inputs now result in failure.

And you are right on the head about the head scene. In the military your weapon does not lie in your bunk or even in the barracks at all. All weapons are in a separate building and are checked out by soldiers as they are about to march toward the firing range. All ammo is stored in another building away from the weapons and is checked out by the commanding officer who then has it distributed at the firing range. For Pyle to get an empty jacket and separate rounds to load into the jacket while sitting in the head is pure fantasy. Drill sergeants were shot when they would go out to the targets to check and grade the targets. Soldiers were located in pits to shoot from with a control tower looking over all of them and were told to put their weapons out on the ground before the drill sergeants would head out to the targets. The trick was pulled was to divert the tower's attention before firing on the drill sergeant.

Is that all speaking from personal experience..?
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11-25-2012, 10:04 AM (This post was last modified: 11-25-2012 10:10 AM by Hal9200.)
Post: #22
RE: Full Metal Jacket Analysis
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11-25-2012, 01:11 PM
Post: #23
RE: Full Metal Jacket Analysis
(11-25-2012 10:04 AM)Hal9200 Wrote:  [Image: fmj+chariot.jpg]
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I thought the first one might be on to something, but the rest are stretching..

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11-27-2012, 12:46 PM (This post was last modified: 11-27-2012 01:14 PM by Zardoz.)
Post: #24
RE: Full Metal Jacket Analysis
Very nice Hal9200. You've done your homework. Rob spoke about the occult references in his analysis so you're definitely on to something.
It's worth noting that on 9/11 one of the most iconic images to emerge was that of a man falling out of one of the twin TOWERS with his body in the "hanged man" pose. Roman Polanski's "The Ninth Gate" had a character die in the exact same position (Corso's friend in the bookstore).

Hey blueshift4, I want to add a few things:

Before i went off to boot camp I spoke to a former US marine who told me that he was choked by one of his instructors, who he described as being like a tasmanian devil (they all were). He didn't choke himself. Hartman is actually pretty calm in comparison. The DIs were NOT allowed on the rifle range due to the aggro (or killer rage) recruits felt against them, and the chances of their being killed was extremely high. FMJ takes place decades ago and today's militaries are far more vicious these days.
While in boot camp I was told that due to changes in policy they could no longer punch soldiers in the face as they once used to do for not paying attention. I was a reservist, though, so things were a bit different for us. Full time infantry soldiers could be beaten and hospitalized for crimes like theft, after which they might be thrown in a cell for some time (this info from a guy I worked with and a reason he wanted out).
Rifles are kept on the person AT ALL TIMES, it is an extension of your arm. It can save your life. I slept with mine and treated it like my girlfriend. Some instructors made recruits shower while holding their weapons sticking out. Ammo however was not easy to get a hold of, only distributed on the range, but shit happens sometimes. I know guys who stole machetes, artillery simulator bombs and other fun stuff, so stealing rounds is not impossible-just very difficult. Woe be you if you got caught. Nobody can watch you all the time.
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11-27-2012, 11:46 PM
Post: #25
RE: Full Metal Jacket Analysis
To the above poster;

I thought Rob discounted all occult stuff?

Also, the images posted by Hal9200 are findings posted on theroach's blog. And they are excellent.

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12-06-2012, 10:37 PM
Post: #26
RE: Full Metal Jacket Analysis
I just saw Rob agers video on Kubricks Full metal jacket and J.F.K assasination (here it is if you have not seen it already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQUojfjbd0 )

I think that he might be on to something. Here is another refrence to J.F.K by Kubirck in Full Metal jacket.

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More info on J.F.K "Jelly doughnut speech": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein...conception
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12-07-2012, 11:55 AM
Post: #27
RE: Full Metal Jacket Analysis
(12-06-2012 10:37 PM)Hal9200 Wrote:  I just saw Rob agers video on Kubricks Full metal jacket and J.F.K assasination (here it is if you have not seen it already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQUojfjbd0 )

I think that he might be on to something. Here is another refrence to J.F.K by Kubirck in Full Metal jacket.

[Image: 34ig3ma.png]

More info on J.F.K "Jelly doughnut speech": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein...conception

Great observation!
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12-15-2012, 09:48 AM (This post was last modified: 06-08-2014 04:00 PM by Scatterbrain114.)
Post: #28
RE: Full Metal Jacket Analysis
A little while ago I was thinking about wordplay, and that reminded me of Kubrick. For whatever reason, I thought of FMJ.. And I thought of the part where Pyle shoots himself in the bathroom, or 'The Head'. This reminded me of the doubling theme from The Shining.. Pyle shot himself in the head. But, he also shot himself while he was in 'The Head'. Depending on the context, it could be understood that Pyle either shot himself in the head, or shot himself somewhere while he was inside 'The Head'.
This is as far as I got, so I'm afraid I'll have to awkwardly cut it short. . . . .

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01-26-2013, 11:37 AM
Post: #29
RE: Full Metal Jacket Analysis
Also, this reminds me of the scene where the marines sing the theme for Mickey Mouse Club House.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Mousing

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01-27-2013, 04:02 AM
Post: #30
RE: Full Metal Jacket Analysis
(12-15-2012 09:48 AM)Scatterbrain114 Wrote:  I thought of the part where Pyle shoots himself in the bathroom, or 'The Head'. This reminded me of the doubling theme from The Shining..
Just thinking about Grady's death :
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